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MU plans to phase out Redskin logo

‘It’s time to move on.’

Senior Staff Writer

Published: Thursday, December 9, 2010

Updated: Friday, December 10, 2010 14:12

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Miami University started a process that will likely lead to the complete removal of any remnants of the old Redskin name, beginning with ending the "Scalp Song."

The decision has officially been made to end the playing of this instrumentation when an opposing team member goes to the penalty box in an effort to further distance the university from the Redskin name of old and embrace the RedHawk moniker, Miami President David Hodge said.

"It's time to move on," Hodge said. "The song was created when we had a different mascot. It made sense with the other mascot, it doesn't make sense with the current mascot, and we're trying to create new RedHawk traditions."

Hodge said the song also goes against the image the university seeks to project.

"It clearly is not as respectful as we think we should be at this institution," he said. "It goes against our values. It's not that people mean it to be disrespectful, and I stress that point, but it is."

According to Hodge, Miami will likely see future changes as they relate to embracing the RedHawk identity. One of these could eventually include the removal of the former Redskin logo from all facilities and paraphernalia.

"I think sooner or later that all has to change," Hodge said. "This is not meaning to disrespect all of the alums and previous people in the institution from different times. The logo we had served a purpose, and that purpose is now gone. Now it's a distraction and it doesn't in any way signify what our relationship is with the Miami Indian Tribe."

Hodge said the process of addressing the removal of these leftovers is being examined thoroughly before a final verdict is made. Dionn Tron, associate vice president of communication, confirmed that the Redskin logo's role in today's Miami University is being reviewed.

"That's being discussed right now, and no decisions have been made," Tron said. "It's really a carry-over from our old mascot and we haven't been the Redskins for 13 years."

In terms of the "Scalp Song," Tron said the Miami Tribe was not the original source of contention.

"The tribe didn't complain," Tron said. "I think it started as we began looking to see how we could really build traditions for the RedHawks name and gain a lot of student support for our athletic events."

Band Director Stephen Lytle said during the first few hockey games of the spring 2011 semester, the band will play several different alternatives and give students a way to participate in selecting their favorite.

"There's a couple different things we are looking at, maybe something to embrace the RedHawk identity, maybe something that better suits the mood of why we celebrate a penalty, like along the lines of, say, ‘Dirty Deeds' by ACDC," Lytle said. "It will be music that allows people to participate in clapping and cheering."

Lytle said on some levels the band will miss the "Scalp Song."

"To a certain degree, the band was attached to the song," Lytle said. "But, at the same time, understanding that times have changed and certainly the things that were seen as problematic in the song were things that were hard to overcome."

First-year Andrew Whitson disagrees with the decision.  

"From what I've heard, the tribe didn't necessarily even want us to get rid of the Redskin name," Whitson said.  "Both my mom and my dad's side have Native American blood, and I don't find the song offensive at all."

Junior Alyssa Reisner, however, agrees with the decision.

"I think that it is a good idea to remove the song," Resiner said. "If they were to keep playing it, that would be going against our relationship with the Miami Tribe."

Hodge said he expects limited resistance and backlash from students in relation to the end of the "Scalp Song" and any future changes. He said select students will likely protest the decision.

"Of course, you know, whenever you make a change like this there will be a period of time where people are going to show their opposition to it," Hodge said. "That's fine. It happens. It seems kind of silly to me, but it will pass."

Hodge said this is the appropriate decision for Miami and hopes the university can move forward as a whole.

"We have some fantastic teams right now," Hodge said. "They are RedHawks, so the thing to focus on is making sure that we build school spirit around who we are not who we were."

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Miami Alum 10
Fri Dec 10 2010 23:40
Dear Hodge,

Stop bending over and listening to what a couple stupid liberals have to say about having everything being politically correct. Please leave and go ruin someone else's university. Whose decision was it to have him as our president? He truly has no clue on how to handle anything that goes on in the university.

As far as ANYONE saying the Miami Tribe saying they never supported the Redskin Mascot, you obviously haven't talked to anyone from the Miami Tribe or taken History of Miami University. So let me educate you. The Miami Tribe supported the Redskin mascot FULLY, even gave us their own ceremonial garb for our mascot to wear. Wow...sounds like they really hated it. Guess be "phasing out" the Redskin tradition we'll just have to erase about 100 years of our history. Guess we just weren't in existence throughout the entirety of our Redskin mascot era.

And it is true that plenty of people will stop giving because of this because I worked for the Office of Annual giving as a caller and was yelled at more than once or twice to take people off the list cause of the whole mascot change. Just think how much more anger this is causing.

These past couple of months have made me angry, and frankly I regret attending that university because of what people have started.

Miami Alum 10
Fri Dec 10 2010 23:13
Dear Hodge,

Stop bending over and listening to what a couple stupid liberals have to say about having everything being politically correct. Please leave and go ruin someone else's university. Whose decision was it to have him as our president? He truly has no clue on how to handle anything that goes on in the university.

As far as ANYONE saying the Miami Tribe saying they never supported the Redskin Mascot, you obviously haven't talked to anyone from the Miami Tribe or taken History of Miami University. So let me educate you. The Miami Tribe supported the Redskin mascot FULLY, even gave us their own ceremonial garb for our mascot to wear. Wow...sounds like they really hated it. Guess be "phasing out" the Redskin tradition we'll just have to erase about 100 years of our history. Guess we just weren't in existence throughout the entirety of our Redskin mascot era.

And it is true that plenty of people will stop giving because of this because I worked for the Office of Annual giving as a caller and was yelled at more than once or twice to take people off the list cause of the whole mascot change. Just think how much more anger this is causing.

These past couple of months have made me angry, and frankly I regret attending that university because of what people have started.

W W
Fri Dec 10 2010 19:15
I am a Miami graduate of 1963, during the peaceful period before racial unrest and antiwar protests erupted at Miami and across the nation -- one year before three Miami visitors were murdered for supporting equal rights in a burning Mississippi. I fully believe in and have supported the equality inherent in the brotherhood/sisterhood of human kind. Yet I take offense that President Hodge calls me "silly" for supporting the cultural continuity of a Miami Redskin identification embedded in the Miami Indian logo -- a tradition which he and other non-Miami originated outsiders have decided to replace with new traditions. After all, the president declared: "Of course, you know, whenever you make a change like this, there will be a period of time where people are going to show their opposition to it.... "That's fine. It happens. It seems kind of silly to me, but it will pass." So, according to the president, I am silly. Being silly is sometimes expected in those of us from the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's and maybe even the 1970's who have been loyal Miami supporters of all winning and losing teams and money contributing alumni for decades. We are growing old, and we may be too silly to consider alma mater in our wills. Rather than using epithets of disrespect, perhaps the president should embrace the collegiality of friendly discourse which should be part of an academic, learning environment. I am not yet ready to discard either of my two John A. Ruthven "Miami Indian" prints which I purchased as part of a university fundraiser almost 40 years ago. Silly of me, is it not? See you at the Go Daddy.com Bowl, Mr. President.
DF
Fri Dec 10 2010 11:48
Despite the fact that the spacing was intact on the post below, obviously cut and paste did not work.
DF
Fri Dec 10 2010 11:26
Official
Statement
from
the
Myaamia
Project
regarding
the
Redskins
Mascot.


The
Myaamia
Project
supports
the
decision
that
Miami
University
made
in
terminating
its
Redskins
mascot
in
1997.

Despite
attempts
to
authenticate
the
 mascot’s
regalia
and
dance
performance,
we
believe
that
the
presence
of
a
mascot
image
promotes
and
encourages
unfounded
stereotypes
due
to
the
reality
that
racial
mascots
are
typically
born
from
and
thus
rooted
in
misconception.

The
presence
and
promotion
of
a
Redskins
mascot
inhibited
the
ability
of
Miami
University
to
create
a
climate
of
understanding
and
respect
towards
members
of
our
tribal
community.


The
presence
of
the
Myaamia
Project
on
Miami
University’s
campus
and
its
work
in
language
and
cultural
preservation
is
a
clear
reflection
of
the
changes
in
attitude
towards
the
Miami
Tribe.

This
shift
has
lead
to
purposeful
exchanges
between
the
Tribe
and
University
and
has
done
more
to
develop
a
climate
of
understanding
resulting
in
meaningful
work
that
positively
influences
the
lives
of
tribal
members
and
students
who
attend
Miami
University.

A
mascot
could
never
achieve
this
kind
of
purpose
and
it
is
for
this
simple
reason
that
the
Myaamia
 Project
staff
feels
strongly
that
Miami
University
leadership
acted
in
a
respectful
manner
by
retiring
the
Redskins
mascot.


It
is
our
hope
that
the
remnants
of
the
 Redskin
mascot
will
survive
only
in
the
archives
of
Miami
University’s
museums
and

Alum and Parent
Fri Dec 10 2010 08:14
Move on?!! The University is named after an Indian tribe! This is a prime example of political correctness gone wild. I am both and alum and the parent of a current student. I would never have sent my son to Miami if I had known that this kind of ridiculous issue is taking up the administration's time. There are far more important topics for a university president to be addressing. The previous poster is correct - alumni dollars will be lost if this happens. Talk to the development office and see if they have an opinion. Ridiculous.
mschnip
Fri Dec 10 2010 06:10
Farmer was not the one who started the removal of the Redskin name. It was 9 liberals, none of whom had any native American blood, and the University caved in. I talked with the Chief of the Miami Tribe when it was going on, and he had no objection to the Redskin moniker. Take a look at the poll accompanying the article. 76% of respndents want to keep the name. I do agree that if we are going to break the tradition, change the University name. How about Neutered U? Oh, and Skippy Hodge is an idiot.
bigdickw66
Fri Dec 10 2010 00:26
First I would like to say that I have traveled around the world and when ever I see Miami Alumni, every one has always says, "REDSKINS FOR EVER". Miami has lost thousands of Alumni dollars because of this. Matter of fact, I just purchased a Miami polo shirt with the Miami "M & Indian". The main person who is responsible for getting rid of the "REDSKIN" was Richard Farmer. I feel between Farmer & Hodge, they should be taken out in a field & should be scalped. Since the University wants to get rid of everything dealing with the "Indian Tradition", they should change the name of the University to "OXFORD UNIVERSITY". As long as you have the name of the University "Miami", you will never get rid of the indian tradition.
I will say one thing that this current President has given no consideration on how Alumni feel about this. He is a complete idiot.

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