Miami Student

Please listen up Schnipper,....the school board cannot determine or affect property reappraisals. The auditor's office and the board of revision can only do this. The school board has the duty to ALL taxpayers to make sure that the board of revision and auditor's office do their jobs and treat everyone fairly.

TSD has contested nearly 350 property values since 2005. The list is on our web site at
http://www.stoptsd.com/files/talawanda_cases1.pdf
TSD has chosen to contest values on rental & commercial property saying the increased taxes are most easily passed to consumers on these properties, i.e. increased rents and costs. Some property values increased 100-182%, and the school board wants those values used for tax purposes. Fair? Not even realistic. The recent actions by the school board were post-election, so we have a limited means of addressing them. Miami students, you were duped on this one!

Originally posted by

resident

Mr. Schnipper is lying to the community in an effort to get a mob going. He has repeatedly misrepresented the fact that the School Board is causing property taxes for businesses to go up. Please listen up Schnipper,....the school board cannot determine or affect property reappraisals. The auditor's office and the board of revision can only do this. The school board has the duty to ALL taxpayers to make sure that the board of revision and auditor's office do their jobs and treat everyone fairly. Mr. Schnipper is only being vindictive and acting like a kindergartener on the playground. Listen up Schnipper supporters, he is wasting your money -- both the money for this crazy action and for attorney fees that the school district must spend.

The only people that are being duped are the people who believe what Schnipper is telling them. I have attended three of his meetings, and 70% of what he tells people is incorrect or delibrately misleading. I saw tonight that he has pulled petitions to run for Talawanda school board. If he runs, he will have to provide proof for his outlandish statements.

The information I present is from the Auditor's office, the Treasurer's office and from documents provided by Talawanda School District. The school board IS affecting property values by counterclaiming reductions in values. Increased values mean increased taxes. This is also a matter of public record.
The only attorney fees the school district has spent (almost $6000) is to contest property values.

Originally posted by

resident

Mr. Schnipper is lying to the community in an effort to get a mob going. He has repeatedly misrepresented the fact that the School Board is causing property taxes for businesses to go up. Please listen up Schnipper,....the school board cannot determine or affect property reappraisals. The auditor's office and the board of revision can only do this. The school board has the duty to ALL taxpayers to make sure that the board of revision and auditor's office do their jobs and treat everyone fairly. Mr. Schnipper is only being vindictive and acting like a kindergartener on the playground. Listen up Schnipper supporters, he is wasting your money -- both the money for this crazy action and for attorney fees that the school district must spend.

Maybe the truth hurts too much for TSD supporters to believe that their school board is doing what it is doing. The facts I present come from the Auditor, the Treasurer and TSD.

Originally posted by

resident

Mr. Schnipper is lying to the community in an effort to get a mob going. He has repeatedly misrepresented the fact that the School Board is causing property taxes for businesses to go up. Please listen up Schnipper,....the school board cannot determine or affect property reappraisals. The auditor's office and the board of revision can only do this. The school board has the duty to ALL taxpayers to make sure that the board of revision and auditor's office do their jobs and treat everyone fairly. Mr. Schnipper is only being vindictive and acting like a kindergartener on the playground. Listen up Schnipper supporters, he is wasting your money -- both the money for this crazy action and for attorney fees that the school district must spend.

Mr. Schnipper says that the board is lying to us. I have attended 2 of his town meetings, and Mr. Schnipper has consistently told lies and deliberately misled the audience with partial truths and falsehoods. His facts are wrong, and more concerningly, he does not want to know the facts. This guy is scary.

Dear Mr. Schnipper:

Is it true that you have been paying single family property taxes on your rental properties for several years? If so, your problem should be taken up with the county auditor and not with the talawanda school board.

Please stop trying to hurt the children of the school district with the building of the new high school.

Originally posted by

resident

The information I present is from the Auditor's office, the Treasurer's office and from documents provided by Talawanda School District. The school board IS affecting property values by counterclaiming reductions in values. Increased values mean increased taxes. This is also a matter of public record.
The only attorney fees the school district has spent (almost $6000) is to contest property values.

Originally posted by

resident

Mr. Schnipper is lying to the community in an effort to get a mob going. He has repeatedly misrepresented the fact that the School Board is causing property taxes for businesses to go up. Please listen up Schnipper,....the school board cannot determine or affect property reappraisals. The auditor's office and the board of revision can only do this. The school board has the duty to ALL taxpayers to make sure that the board of revision and auditor's office do their jobs and treat everyone fairly. Mr. Schnipper is only being vindictive and acting like a kindergartener on the playground. Listen up Schnipper supporters, he is wasting your money -- both the money for this crazy action and for attorney fees that the school district must spend.

After your post, I contacted the treasurer myself, since you have a very common problem with presenting actual facts. Some of the money that you have quoted has been legal advice regarding your group's attempt to reverse the bond issue. Also, the district stands to lose $20 million in taxable property -- that is $600K per year for operations. If the district loses that money, will you support an operations levy in 2011? The answer is no and you know it. And,...please stop lying to everyone. Just because the district is challenging an appeal does not mean one thing regarding whether the Board of revision will grant an appraisal appeal. It only allows the taxpayers some due diligence in making sure no funny business goes on between the board of revision and some select property owners, who have been paying single family rates on rental property for years. If you want to talk about wasting money on legal fees, let's talk about the district wasting nearly $10K on Mr. Ramsey's little stunt in January (it is funny that you didn't ask the treasurer about that!).

Originally posted by

jim

the people of this community need to come together...and vote in all new members of the school board..and the entire board of education needs replaced..

Now this approach, unlike Schnipper's, is legal. Two seats are open this year. Put your name in and get elected. If you are not willing to serve, then don't waste people's times complaining.

Originally posted by

jim

the people of this community need to come together...and vote in all new members of the school board..and the entire board of education needs replaced..

Be careful what you wish for...

Originally posted by

DMB

If I had to guess, Michael Schnipper and supporters would be the type of people that would have had Galileo thrown in prison for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun once upon a time.

Apparently he hates the democracy. Also, I'm sure that $500 his PAC raised will take him quite far. Maybe he can get one radio ad buy to express his opinion...maybe 3 if it's on AM. Or hire the stupidest lawyer in town to argue their case for a day. Or maybe he can order one less pizza from Dominoes a month so he can pay the meager amount of taxes it will cost each Oxford citizen to build a decent high school for future generations to come.

What dunces, they're cool with OPD wasting taxpayer money so every cop gets their own M-16 in the back of their squad car, yet when it comes to the future of their kids' education they cry foul...and raise a total of $500, which they could use to just suck it up and let good progress take its course.

That is possibly the most ignorant post I've read on this site. Please let us know who you are so that I can publicly mock you.

Originally posted by

DMB

If I had to guess, Michael Schnipper and supporters would be the type of people that would have had Galileo thrown in prison for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun once upon a time.

Apparently he hates the democracy. Also, I'm sure that $500 his PAC raised will take him quite far. Maybe he can get one radio ad buy to express his opinion...maybe 3 if it's on AM. Or hire the stupidest lawyer in town to argue their case for a day. Or maybe he can order one less pizza from Dominoes a month so he can pay the meager amount of taxes it will cost each Oxford citizen to build a decent high school for future generations to come.

What dunces, they're cool with OPD wasting taxpayer money so every cop gets their own M-16 in the back of their squad car, yet when it comes to the future of their kids' education they cry foul...and raise a total of $500, which they could use to just suck it up and let good progress take its course.

Name's Dave Matthews, and like you I had a job and paid taxes in Oxford. Unlike you I'm not scared of the $12 increase in taxes a month you have to pay per $100,000 of property you own to build a well overdue new high school. Also, unlike you, I know when to pick my battles, especially the ones that were settled in November.

Originally posted by

DMB

If I had to guess, Michael Schnipper and supporters would be the type of people that would have had Galileo thrown in prison for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun once upon a time.

Apparently he hates the democracy. Also, I'm sure that $500 his PAC raised will take him quite far. Maybe he can get one radio ad buy to express his opinion...maybe 3 if it's on AM. Or hire the stupidest lawyer in town to argue their case for a day. Or maybe he can order one less pizza from Dominoes a month so he can pay the meager amount of taxes it will cost each Oxford citizen to build a decent high school for future generations to come.

What dunces, they're cool with OPD wasting taxpayer money so every cop gets their own M-16 in the back of their squad car, yet when it comes to the future of their kids' education they cry foul...and raise a total of $500, which they could use to just suck it up and let good progress take its course.

Oh, and I apologize for a mistake in my earlier post. Every traffic cop in safe Oxford gets an M4, not an M-16, to protect its citizens from the uncontrollable violent crime plaguing the city.

Originally posted by

DMB

If I had to guess, Michael Schnipper and supporters would be the type of people that would have had Galileo thrown in prison for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun once upon a time.

Apparently he hates the democracy. Also, I'm sure that $500 his PAC raised will take him quite far. Maybe he can get one radio ad buy to express his opinion...maybe 3 if it's on AM. Or hire the stupidest lawyer in town to argue their case for a day. Or maybe he can order one less pizza from Dominoes a month so he can pay the meager amount of taxes it will cost each Oxford citizen to build a decent high school for future generations to come.

What dunces, they're cool with OPD wasting taxpayer money so every cop gets their own M-16 in the back of their squad car, yet when it comes to the future of their kids' education they cry foul...and raise a total of $500, which they could use to just suck it up and let good progress take its course.

So how about you, Ralph Wiggum -- this guy identified himself, so who are you really, so we can mock you like you did him?

Originally posted by

DMB

If I had to guess, Michael Schnipper and supporters would be the type of people that would have had Galileo thrown in prison for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun once upon a time.

Apparently he hates the democracy. Also, I'm sure that $500 his PAC raised will take him quite far. Maybe he can get one radio ad buy to express his opinion...maybe 3 if it's on AM. Or hire the stupidest lawyer in town to argue their case for a day. Or maybe he can order one less pizza from Dominoes a month so he can pay the meager amount of taxes it will cost each Oxford citizen to build a decent high school for future generations to come.

What dunces, they're cool with OPD wasting taxpayer money so every cop gets their own M-16 in the back of their squad car, yet when it comes to the future of their kids' education they cry foul...and raise a total of $500, which they could use to just suck it up and let good progress take its course.

I am glad someone else said it was the dumbest post. Saved me the time.

Originally posted by

DMB

If I had to guess, Michael Schnipper and supporters would be the type of people that would have had Galileo thrown in prison for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun once upon a time.

Apparently he hates the democracy. Also, I'm sure that $500 his PAC raised will take him quite far. Maybe he can get one radio ad buy to express his opinion...maybe 3 if it's on AM. Or hire the stupidest lawyer in town to argue their case for a day. Or maybe he can order one less pizza from Dominoes a month so he can pay the meager amount of taxes it will cost each Oxford citizen to build a decent high school for future generations to come.

What dunces, they're cool with OPD wasting taxpayer money so every cop gets their own M-16 in the back of their squad car, yet when it comes to the future of their kids' education they cry foul...and raise a total of $500, which they could use to just suck it up and let good progress take its course.

Where did you dream up this stuff???

Originally posted by

Talawanda parent

Mike Schnipper and his cohort of anti-government, anti-tax activist buddies are a bunch of short-sighted, mean-spirited, sore losers. We had an election, his side lost. It's that simple.

So, we are now supposed to roll over and take what the school district is trying to do with property values? 100+% increases are not fair, nor realistic. How about Superintendent Cagwin's 32% pay raise last year? That is fair also? It is time for a change.

Originally posted by

Talawanda parent

Mike Schnipper and his cohort of anti-government, anti-tax activist buddies are a bunch of short-sighted, mean-spirited, sore losers. We had an election, his side lost. It's that simple.

Mr. Schnipper,...what is your proof that Dr. Cagwin got a 30% raise last year?

Originally posted by

Beth N.

The School District is exercising due diligence to ensure that the property taxes are correct. As a former loan originator, Oxford property taxes as done by the auditors office are often askew due to the unique demographics of the City of Oxford. It is ironic that when someone whats to gain equity on their home, they want the value to increase, yet when they have to pay taxes on that higher value, they complain...

Askew? They have not been like this in previous years. Track the list of properties being contested by the school board and then look at the value history of those properties. http://www.stoptsd.com/files/talawanda_cases1.pdf
Askew is going up 30% in a flat market. Insane is TSD saying 100%+ is fair. If I could sell my property for what TSD is saying is fair, I would sell, move and thank them for lining my pockets.

Originally posted by

Beth N.

The School District is exercising due diligence to ensure that the property taxes are correct. As a former loan originator, Oxford property taxes as done by the auditors office are often askew due to the unique demographics of the City of Oxford. It is ironic that when someone whats to gain equity on their home, they want the value to increase, yet when they have to pay taxes on that higher value, they complain...

The reason that many of the rental properties' values went up so much in one round of appraisals is because many of them were classified incorrectly as single family dwellings in the last several rounds of appraisals. In other words, the owners were not paying their fair share of taxes. The appraisal company caught the mistake this year. Call the auditor and ask if you don't believe me!

Originally posted by

Beth N.

The reason that many of the rental properties' values went up so much in one round of appraisals is because many of them were classified incorrectly as single family dwellings in the last several rounds of appraisals. In other words, the owners were not paying their fair share of taxes. The appraisal company caught the mistake this year. Call the auditor and ask if you don't believe me!...

So he was only paying single family property taxes on rental properties? If this is true, he needs to come clean. How long has been paying these taxes at this low amount? How many other people were not paying their fair share? I am outraged as a taxpayer. How do I contact the auditor to verify this.

Originally posted by

JW

If this group wants to use the PAC to change school funding law in the State of Ohio, I would contribute and work for the cause. If they want to hurt the kids of Talawanda, just to get back at a school board that promoted what they did not want, then they should be ashamed of themselves.

I have kept both our state senator and state representative informed of our actions, and we do advocate major changes in the funding of our schools, especially on the local level.

Originally posted by

Molls

It's like the water tower part 2. A vote occurs & a minority contingent thinks their agenda is more important than the majority of other voters opinion. The water tower went down despite the minority group that tried to save it. The new high school was voted on & the majority wants it; it will be built. You lost your war, now go away.

The Miami student should never have allowed the posting by Scott R. It is clearly a threat.

Originally posted by

Cletus

Township folks were given a golden opportunity to be through with Oxford forever by splitting the district and having one of their own. Instead, they fought against this. Maybe now they're willing to join with Oxford people and make this a reality. For once, do something that's really in your own self interest.

The Oxford people were not the ones who passed this. It was the Miami student votes in precincts 6, 7,, 11 & 12. This was largely due to the efforts of Citizens for Talawanda Schools. A PAC. A similar proposal was defeated in 2007 by over 2200 votes.
And the splitting of the school district involves much more than a simple vote. The state is the one that denied the split.

Originally posted by

Dakota

There are four reasons why Miami students have the right to vote on anything on the ballot, including school levies:

1. They're American adults, are legally registered to vote, and to deny them the vote would be unconstitutional (and un-American).

2. They pay the school tax because landlords raise their rents to cover it.

3. Students do have an interest in the community, because the quality of schools affects the quality of the community and who choose to reside here.

4. Students do move away but they're replaced by other students, so they are a constant constituency.

I have repeatedly said in my speeches that the right of the Miami student is not open to debate. We wish they were more fully informed on local issues before they vote, and that will be one of the goals of this PAC, long term.

Originally posted by

Dakota

There are four reasons why Miami students have the right to vote on anything on the ballot, including school levies:

1. They're American adults, are legally registered to vote, and to deny them the vote would be unconstitutional (and un-American).

2. They pay the school tax because landlords raise their rents to cover it.

3. Students do have an interest in the community, because the quality of schools affects the quality of the community and who choose to reside here.

4. Students do move away but they're replaced by other students, so they are a constant constituency.

We students are informed. Unlike your group, we listen to the pros and cons and then decide. Based on most of your comments and the comments of people who write against school issues in the Miami Student, it appears that you vote no regardless of the issues/reasons for the school issues. You vote only on your wallet rather than on the merits of the request. You should be the ones not allowed to vote!!!!

Originally posted by

Rod

It would really help if Mr. Schnipper would give us his financial information, including his profits, so we could determine just how badly he's suffering as a result of the county auditor re-assessing the property value of his commercial operations. And not just for a single month or year, but over the past decade, so we can get a more accurate understanding of his financial situation.

Go look up my property values and tax history on line at the auditors office. Public information.

Originally posted by

Talawanda parent

How much taxpayer money has Talawanda wasted in legal to file complaints against 250 properties? Show me the bill for that !!

Right -- let's get everybody's financials out in the open so we all can make an informed judgement on this, including Mr. Schnipper too. Then we won't have rely on uninformed speculation.

Originally posted by

Talawanda parent

How much taxpayer money has Talawanda wasted in legal to file complaints against 250 properties? Show me the bill for that !!

I requested that information from the school district on June 23rd and just received it. I will have it posted on our web site in the near future. One interesting aspect of the attorney is that he in on the Ohio School Board Association and solicits his services to school districts to contest property values. In Butler County, only Talawanda and Lakota have chosen to do so this year.

Originally posted by

Talawanda parent

How much taxpayer money has Talawanda wasted in legal to file complaints against 250 properties? Show me the bill for that !!

Mr. Schnipper -- please get your facts straight. Every district in Butler county is contesting the challenges to the reappraisals except Ross and Edgewood. Please stop spreading lies!!!!!

Originally posted by

Will

I agree. Enough is enough. Split and school district and let Oxfords' eggheads tax themselves into the poor house.

Will, don't you understand,....you will be paying higher taxes in every other school district than you pay in Talawanda. More importantly, no other district would accept the township residents because of their voting record on school taxes. If the district splits,...everyone's taxes will go up tremendously -- look at Monroe and Middletown (the 2 highest in Butler county)

Originally posted by

Will

I agree. Enough is enough. Split and school district and let Oxfords' eggheads tax themselves into the poor house.

Your tax figures are inaccurate. Talawanda is now the 5th highest in Butler County behind Lakota and West Chester. We are higher than Monroe and Middletown, according to the county treasurers office. http://www.butlercountytreasurer.org/

Originally posted by

Will

I agree. Enough is enough. Split and school district and let Oxfords' eggheads tax themselves into the poor house.

The tax rates that Schnipper keeps quoting are voted in tax rates. The actual tax rates are much lower because of the property tax rollback instituted in 1980. The effective property tax rate in Talawanda is at the floor allowed by law -- the state must raise Talawanda's rate to get to the floor.